Quest Where in the 7th Century is that illusive Islam?

Quest Where in the 7th Century is that illusive Islam?

Dr Jay Smith-

We now come to the last and final lecture of the 5 “Q” talks, which we call the Quest for any reference to Islam in the 7th century.

The Problem is that everything we know about Islam, or Muhammad, or the city Mecca, or people called Muslims, or even about the Qur’an comes from information which wasn’t written down until the 9th – 10th centuries, a good 200 – 300 years later, which is just too late and too far away.

Thus, we’re only interested in what we can find in the 7th and 8th centuries, when Islam was first emerging as a religion.

We begin with the Book itself, the Qur’an, and find that it is either non-existent in the 7th century, or it appears much too late and too far north to be legitimate.

Moving to the Man, Muhammad, we find that he doesn’t appear until the 8th century, and much too far north, and takes his real form under the auspices of the Abbasids, from mid 8th century onward.

We finally move to the Place, Mecca, and find the first Mecca is in Southern Turkey, while the original sanctuary of the Arabs was begun in Petra, Jordan, and the final Mecca sanctuary is only introduced in the early 8th century, and becomes full blown after the Abbasid’s rule.

There seems to be a real northern dominance concerning the Islam we now know today, away from Mecca and Medina, and further north in Iraq, Syria and Jordan.

To understand this Northern Dominance, consider the following:

1) Mecca & Medina have no early manuscripts, while the North = 6 – 9 of the earliest manuscripts

2) Mecca & Medina have only 8 Qira’ats, while the North has 22 Qira’ats of the official 30

3) Mecca & Medina have no Canonical Qur’an, while he North gave us the final ‘Hafs’ Qur’an

4) Mecca & Medina have no Qur’anic Arabic, the North created Qur’anic Arabic

5) Mecca & Medina has no Qiblas until 727, the North has every Qibla until 706 (facing Petra)

6) Mecca & Medina have the wrong Muhammad, the North is where Ilyas ibn Qabisah lived

7) Mecca & Medina have no early Rock Inscriptions, while the North every pre-Islamic Inscription

8) Mecca & Medina has no Hijra, while the North created the original 622 date for it

9) Mecca & Medina gave us the 2nd Mecca, while the North gave us the 1st Mecca

10) Mecca & Medina has no ancient Sanctuary, while the North had the original sanctuary

Our Conclusion: Almost everything we know about Islam today came primarily from the north

NOTE: All of these northern areas (except Cairo) are where the Abbasids originated from

So, what are our final conclusions…there are 10, including:

1) The Sources for everything we know about Traditional Islam come too late and from too far away, and almost entirely from the north…surprised?

2) Except for the 1st Canonization (which is impossible to find) the other four Canons are again too far north (Cairo, Damascus, Kufa, and Basra; thus all in Egypt, Syria or Iraq)

3) The earliest Qur’anic Manuscripts are all too late (the 8th – 9th centuries), with none complete, nor any exactly the same, while some include 100s, & others 1000s of manuscript variants

4) The Qur’anic Arabic is derived from Nabataean Aramaic, which is much too far north once again

5) The Ashtiname Letter is not from the 7th century, but the 16th century, thus much too late

6) The Constitution of Medina is not from the 7th century, but from the 9th century, again too late

7) The Doctrina Iacobi refers to the wrong man, at the wrong place, and from the wrong time

8) Muhammad isn’t in the Qur’an, nor is he on the inscriptions of the Dome of the Rock

9) It looks like Ilyas ibn Qabisah of Tayaye may be a 7th c. Muhammad the later traditions borrowed

10) We can’t find any of the 4 ‘rightly guided caliphs’ in the 7th century at all, which is odd

11) The Rock Inscriptions, prior to 690 AD, say nothing about Islam, Muhammad, Mecca, the Qur’an or about Muslims. These only begin to appear after 690, and are finally introduced as we know it today between 720 – 730 AD

12) The Hijra of 622 was simply a later redaction by the Abbasids on to an earlier battle won by Heraclius for the Arabs, yet recognized as the year the Arabs finally created their own identity, which explains why the Abbasids chose that date later on

13) The 741 Inscription is the first reference to Mecca, yet places it below Edessa, which is way up in Southern Turkey, once again too far north

14) Petra was the initial sanctuary of the Arabs, which was later replaced by the current Mecca

Conclusion: The historical record suggests that most everything we now know of Islam in the 7th c. is either too far north, or too far away, or much too late to be the Islam of the 9th c. ‘Islamic Traditions’

Thus, the Islam practiced today is nothing more than an Abbasid creation, redacted back to the 7th century, proving that they have the wrong book, the wrong man, and the wrong place!